New Changes to Individual Lightning Lane with Attractions and Possible Start Date

A blatent comment from one that is entitled, who doesn't mind being that or telling others that he deserves it.

You need to try living on the other (poor) side so you can appreciate their view. While I certainly do not mind you paying 10 times more for a wider/better first class seat (as all the passengers arrive at the same time), I do think your housing comment (where certain people were blocked from neighborhoods and/or unfairly charged much higher interest rates) illustrates your lack of understanding.

Capitalism is American, though it would be nice if the rich paid their fair share of taxes to even things out (unless you truly believe that one person is better than another because of their $$$).

Ford created the Model T so everyone could afford an automobile. Walt created Disneyland so every family could enjoy time together.

The rich don't get to rewrite the rules just because they don't pay their fair share of taxes.

I wonder if everyone who is planning on boycotting Disney because of perceived discrimination against the poor, also plan on carrying that boycott over to every airline that offers that horrible and discriminatory First Class seating? So unfair.

You have to be rich to travel like that.

That should also be eliminated, right? That will solve things. Except for the fact that the up charge the First Class travelers pay probably helps offset the cost of the flight. But in the interest of fairness, that increased cost can be shared amongst everyone on the plane.

So when the price of the plane ticket goes up for everyone, anybody who doesn't have much money won't be able to fly as much, but can stay at home knowing that everything is fair. And that is better than being able to get to where you want to.

I mean, you can drive to where you want to go.

But by traveling on a freeway that has some kind of HOV lane or toll roads, you're also encouraging discrimination. Some poor people cannot afford that luxury. One should probably stick to side roads to send a message that you aren't going to travel on those highways until things get a little more woke and everyone can now sit in the new higher density traffic.

Oh, and those people driving in nicer cars than me that have all those nice luxuries that I can't afford (and I am pretty sure Henry Ford never even thought about things like airbags, power steering, air conditioning, etc., so let's get back to Ford's original vision), well that is just thumbing your nose at my financial situation. A more fair system will be if we have just one option for a vehicle. I mean, some people treat their vehicles like status symbols. Like they just get off on spending the money they are working for. So unfair.

I guess the righteous boycotter should just stay home. Oh wait. Housing. Darn. Not everyone can afford a house. So unfair. Technically there are people who live on streets. In the interest of being completely fair, living with an actual roof over your head goes against everything that those have fought for equality before us have suffered for. So unfair.

Matt, I am confused. You say that this is not discriminatory but most of your comment suggests it is (since poor people can no longer afford it).

I am sorry you never got to experience the magic, it was there (not just Disney marketing).

Walt created Disneyland such that families could enjoy time together is a fun and safe environment (amusement parks were seedy back then).

For a few decades, Disney was just that. Things changed over time (mostly for a better experience) and the magic was there. Employees were treated well and enjoyed their work, and most every guest had a great time and created memories. Ride lines were reasonable (bar holidays) and the park was not overcrowded With the exception of some overtired children, most everyone shared a happy spirit during their visit.

Disney management changes (which focused on profit over the experience) has changed the magic. Yes, it is a business, but it is a business that should support Walt's initial concept -- a special shout out today for the death of Walt's EPCOT -- Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow; an acronym that is now longer valid without the Future World (renamed as of Oct 01 to World Celebration, World Discovery, and World Nature).

I certainly agree with you that Disney should consider park expansion over price hikes. Walt would have corrected the supply side such that more families could visit, over the current management attitude of increasing price to reduce demand.

Yes, it is Capitalism at its finest, which we could debate may be discriminatory on its own.

In any event, the average family which use have equal (fair) access to rides now needs to yield to richer folk that can pay for priority service. Its Capitalism, but also it is discrimination, since it takes away equal treatment (in favor of the rich).

My perspective is very different from Tlaw. I am middle class and have 3 young kids. We live 16 hrs away in Ohio and Disney is already a vacation that is nearly double any other trip at ~5k if done on a budget for less than a week. We can budget vacation to the beach for half that, tent camping and attending other awesome parks (Cedar Point) under 1k. For people like me Disney has always priced out the poor or at least made it a once in a lifetime opportunity because of how long saving for such an trip takes.

What is "the magic"? I personally do not know what people are talking about here. When people refer to this, I think they mean good memories of times past at Disney. There is no magic, however, there never was any magic either. The "magic" was Disney marketing, an idea sold to people to justify and make the return visits at those incredibly high prices. Those great memories of times past can occur anywhere, some of our families most magical experiences are those budget non luxurious camping trips.

We are a family of 5 that need to take at least 5 days to make a trip to Disney worth while. 3 park days is about all we can handle during a 5 day trip. The trip budget approaching 1000/day in cost. Adding G+ will be 75 dollars. Will we add each day, probably not depends on the crowd calendar, season, and how many days we go to each park. So this up charge will be between 1.5% to 5% of our total trip. Hardly an impact on my wallet at all and already poor individuals are unfortunately left out. Also seems a relatively fair value if we spend 1 day at Hollywood and likely would never return again. We spent 1.5 days a HWS 3 years ago and had a very unmagical experience with slinky dog. FP+ was not available despite logging in as early as possible on the earliest day I was able. We decided to go at rope drop on an extra magic hour day. Despite efforts we got to the park late (shuttles overwhelmed) and already met a 3 hour line. So our then 5 year old never got to ride despite half our park time being used at that park. They simply don't have enough attractions there (pre-star wars) so felt like we wasted a lot of money and time that day. The magic for us that trip was Fort wilderness golf cart driving and outdoor movies.

We have summer passes to the local amusement park, Kings Island. We wait in the lines with others of all walks. They have paid fast lane lines that we have never purchased but see people using and I have impression these are wealthy elites in those lanes. The wait times are what they are, we get used to it and most our trips are short visits when crowds are low. I've never lived in FL so don't know what the Disney pass holder experience is like in comparison. Your parks are much more visited by vacationers.

Basic economics would say the Disney price is one limiter to high crowds. Our world is becoming overcrowded with people. Disney demand is high, basic economics are the cost goes up. This is capitalism not magic. I don't know Walt or his ideals, but magic is in us and in our experiences not a corporate theme park. Money doesn't make people happier nor am I saddened when the fast lane people get on the rides before me at Kings Island. My family have our own magic in line talking and interacting while those people go by. We don't really pay much attention to it at all.

Change is hard and people who use Disney often may be loosing a perc of fastpass+, but people like me this system never helped much. It required to much insider knowledge and gave those with experience an advantage. Great for diehard Disney fans, but left casual visitors not in the know with scraps of fast passes for Dumbo and Muppets.

In no way am I saying the new system is much better. While I am hopeful the basic Genie will do what it says and decrease wait times for everyone by using algorithms to sort itineraries for large crowds keeping everyone distributed and able to ride everything on the iteneraries in the most efficient way possible, I do have doubts. Genie+ meh, probably will add to our HWS visit and see. Lightening Lane, may buy for ROTR depending on pricing. Don't think we will know untill we use it. If people don't like it and demand is low then capitalism economics says it will go away. If people buy it then it is something people value even if not you personally and either learn to live with it or leave it. The discrimination argument just doesn't hold water.

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